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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world
with me George Galloway and me gri back
at work with the baby just outside the
studio a name change for the North
Atlantic Treaty Organization NATO is
surely in order given that it was last
seen killing people in the deserts of
North Africa it is nuclear armed with
thousands of warheads aggressive
expansive and extremely dangerous and
they're coming here this weekend in
Cardiff the NATO leaders of the Gang
That Couldn't Shoot Straight have the
city in lockdown some people are afraid
others are on the March against them
just what the great and peaceful city of
Cardiff did to deserve this visit by the
war party is unclear perhaps they
thought it would all pass quietly if so
they have another think coming one of
the organizers of this weekend's
demonstrations against them is an old
friend of mine for more than 30 years
Britain's communist leader Rob Griffiths
and I'm glad to say he joins us on board
the Sputnik Rob what did Cardiff do to
deserve this visit and what do you have
planned well nothing that I'm aware of
uh and in fact Cardiff council is
hosting a counter Summit so the city the
city of cardiff's elected
representatives didn't issue any
invitation and they've clearly shown
that their sympathizer their sympathies
lie more with the demonstrators than
with the uh the leaders of the so-called
free world who will be meeting in ciff
of Newport um there will be there is a
warm welcome plann for them uh there's
an encirclement of Cardiff Castle today
or should I say an encirclement of the
wire and concrete that now surrounds
Cardiff Castle today where the summit
leaders will uh meet in uh just over a
week's time uh there's a big
International demonstration in Newport a
joint venue of the of the summit uh on
Saturday assemble at 1:00 Newport Civic
Center there's a 2-day counter Summit
after that and various other events all
designed to show that the mass of
ordinary people have no interest in this
Summit and certainly have no support for
the kind of war mongering that we can
expect to hear from it so let me get
this right they're cowering inside a
castle which is itself now surrounded by
concrete and barire well apparently that
sounds like a real welcome all of the
fortifications built by the Romans and
the Normans uh uh and the English aren't
sufficient and we need extra steel and
concrete to keep to keep the ordinary
people at Bay now they are they have
moved onto a posture of extremely
aggressive language against Russia uh
they are going to this weekend discuss
ways in which they can put forward NATO
basis as close as possible as they can
get to Russia now the justification for
NATO was never accepted by the likes of
you or me but the justification for NATO
was that it was a Counterpoint an answer
to the Warsaw Pact the Warsaw Pact is
long gone and half the countries that
were in the warsa P are now in NATO so
what's the justification for the
continuation of this war machine well
there was a major flaw in this uh
defense or this justification for the
existence of NATO from the very
beginning because the warsa pact was in
fact not set up until six years after
NATO was established um so so they have
they have to keep they have to keep
inventing new justifications I mean as
you say The warsa Pact wound itself up
in 1993 and therefore by its own logic
NATO should have wounded itself up
instead of which it's expanded from 12
members to 28 um and uh we had a series
of bogey men if you remember that were
appointed by the Western Powers after
the collapse and counterrevolution in
the Soviet Union it was Gaddafi it was
the Ayatollah it was Saddam saying once
we' finished arming him and financing
him and helping in helping him to kill
Communists and trade unionists and so on
uh they always have to invent new
excuses Putin is the latest bogey man
but they're moving into cyber crime
International piracy everything possible
to try and justify the continued
existence of NATO and the fact that the
US in particular of course its Ambitions
are for worldwide what they call full
spectrum dominance of air sea land and
outer space
um and of course if they can try and put
themselves forward as an organization
that's also concerned about
International piracy cyber crime and so
on this helps so it believes it's kind
to justify its existence what was the
that that mob in in the James Bond film
smash it's a kind of uh extra
territorial uh gang with a with a kind
of uh logic remorseless perpetual motion
uh of its own it's not within any
national government's power to control
well the James Bond parallels are are
there except they're all sort of in
reverse image aren't they um you know
the I mean the the the baddy you know is
obviously Putin at the moment he's the
evil person stroking the cat on his on
his knee and so on and yet after all
amongst other things it's not Putin that
has gone to Iraq and killed hundreds of
hundreds of thousands of civilians or
killed thousands of civilians in
Afghanistan or just killed uh 2,000
civilians in Palestine it's not Putin
that's done any of this it's the Western
Powers it's the NATO powers and their
allies their allies such as Israel now
you mention uh uh Iraq of course one of
the items on the agenda this weekend
will be the frankly bizarre idea that
the solution to the catastrophe in Iraq
is for the people who caused the
catastrophe in Iraq to return to the
scene of their former uh crime
uh what are you expecting in that well
yeah we'll you know we'll we'll we'll
have warmongering statements not not
only uh against Putin and so on um but
uh we'll we may well hear further
excuses for intervening yet again in uh
in Iraq militarily um I don't think we
could expect anything better for as long
as perh somebody like rasmason is is the
Secretary General of NATO after all when
when he was prime minister of Denmark he
was one of the chief war and he actually
dragged Danish Armed Forces into the
Iraq War I can't remember the last time
the Danish armed forces were involved in
any fighting at all and he did so with
the same lies as Blair and Bush the
weapons of mass destruction uh line and
so on and he's the Secretary General
that's right uh of this small country
Denmark but he struts around the world
threatening people with somebody else's
army with somebody else's nuclear uh
weapons the role of musolini indeed uh
through through the uh through the
1930s um is he on his way out who's
going to get the gig after him and what
are the British doing in all of this
well I think they've lined up somebody
from Norway which as far as I'm aware
doesn't have an army any bigger than
Denmark's um but I think that the next
the successor is from Norway but at the
end of the day rasmason and whoever else
it it is Will Will merely be voicing
what is at the end of the day the
foreign policy of the United States I
mean NATO really is a tool of the United
States it's the North American uh
terrorist organization is one of our
tweeters uh put it well with that in
mind I wanted to ask you about France
historically France was a kind of
semi-independent member of NATO it
refused to give the United States
control of its nuclear weapons uh it uh
withdrew I think for some years from the
m committees uh of NATO but this uh uh
least popular of all French presidents
franois Holland he's right in with the
with the m gang he's taken a very um
pro-american stance in a lot of foreign
policy issues um uh and of course in
terms of his domestic policies he's busy
betraying all the pledges that he laid
before the French electorate um we we
you're quite right to say that for a
long period France was not not part of
the military structures of NATO I think
they still participated in some of the
political structures and so on but uh
Holland and and one or two before him
have been busy reintegrating France into
NATO but at the end of the day Holland
himself may be on the way out and uh
we'll have to see whether France reverts
to perhaps a more gist approach a more
independent approach in its foreign
policy the kind of independent foreign
and defense policy that of course we
desperately need in Britain instead of C
on as the United States number one
poodle David Cameron uh like his
predecessors frankly uh if you think
about it since
thater uh we've had a parade of American
poodles uh in charge of this country
David Cameron Cuts an unlikely uh
Soldier I must say a real Brill cream uh
boy uh but he is uh he seems to be
itching uh for a fight he tried to get
us into the war with uh Syria last
August failed with just 13 of a majority
in Parliament now he seems to be mulling
according to the newspapers sending the
Royal Air Force back to Iraq well I mean
if there was a prize at CRS you know for
best American poodle I'm afraid British
prime ministers would have won it uh for
the last for the last of for the last 20
years or more um fortunately um it was a
great victory for the anti-war movement
George of course when the MPS went into
Westminster uh last year and uh
prevented Britain from joining in what
would have been a mad Escapade that
would have strengthened the very uh
fundamentalist terrorist forces that
we're now supposed to be opposing uh now
that they've spread from Syria into Iraq
so so the the people of Britain and
their elected representatives saved
Cameron from himself uh last year uh and
even uh even Ed Milan came rather late
uh to the show but at least at the end
of the day opposed what would have been
an act of sheia folly um but uh now
instead of drawing the right conclusions
from that uh again they the approach
seems to be that if there's a problem
anywhere in the world British and
American Military intervention can solve
it it's the default position that's
right that's right that's right what we
need of course is um International
solidarity and action through the United
Nations to assist those who are
resisting any kind of any kind of
terrorist offensive such as the one that
we're seeing Isis launching across Iraq
Rob griffi thank you very much indeed
coming up after the break as mass murder
and mutilation continues to amaze and
Astound Western politicians and their
media Echo Chambers we'll be looking at
the head chopping throat slicing
medieval obscurantists known as Isis or
as President Obama still calls them ISO
don't miss
it welcome back to Sputnik Western
commentators have been unsurprisingly
fixated of late with the latest video
horror show of an American journalist
being savagely murdered by the gang of
Desperados going by the name of Isis the
same murder gang their own Western
governments with media approval did so
much to build up over the Border in
Syria but the west and its allies are
both directly and indirectly deeply
implicated in the wave of violence in
Iraq the bush and Blair Invasion and
occupation of Iraq could only lead to
this and our main Ally Saudi Arabia is
ruled by people with very much in common
with Isis and a very great deal of their
early funding came from there Saudi
Prince bander known as bandar Bush
because of his closeness to one of the
US ruling families is up to his neck in
the Bloodshed in the leant Muhammad
Hariri is one of those now trying to
Rouse public opinion against Isis # no
to Isis and was the organizer of recent
London demonstrations against them we're
glad to welcome him on board the Sputnik
Muhammad tell the viewers first of all
who what is Isis who are the people
doing the head chopping throat cutting
and murder and mutilation Isis stands
for for Islamic State for Iraq and Syria
it's a very secretive
organization um from our research um we
see um a lot of foreigners in Isis um
there are reports um on on the same day
when musul fell on the 10th of June um
there was the leader who led the
invasion force uh was a guy called Omar
shishani and he is from Chia um there
are pictures of him this is all the
information I'm giving based on uh t
Twitter accounts Isis Twitter accounts
on the internet um so there's Omar
shishani led the invasion force on mul
there are pictures of him with Iraqi
Army Humvees um on the 11th of June um
there were there were pictures of Saudi
Fighters um on the internet it even was
picked up by Al Arabia newspaper because
they were so shocked that how come
Saudis are appearing in musul um and um
it it got to the point where some Saudi
media start having some programs on TV
in Saudi Arabia uh saying Isis as well
as alra front in Syria are um there are
many Saudis in them and as well as
leading these organizations they're all
with with non Iraqi accent the all the
videos I've seen on the internet for
Isis only one I saw that has a guy with
an Iraqi accents they are either Saudi
accents Tunisian accents Libyan accents
from Chia I mean if you just put on
YouTube Chan Fighters you will see clips
horof clips of ISIS killing innocent
syrians um in Syria um and there there
was a statement by the Tunisian interior
minister in June this year uh stating
that there are
2,400 Tunisian Fighters fighting for
Isis between Iraq and Syria and of
course there are a lot of Europeans
thousands of them and hundreds of them
are British absolutely if you if you
scrutinize and look at some of these um
IM they come out on the internet you
will see most of these men are masked um
but the way they are built they're body
built um usually an Arab would have a
hairy arm we we we got into that much
details you see hairless arms wellb
built guys who knows who they are I mean
I mean the guy who was on the clip the
next day when musul fell he's a guy from
Colombia or um uh Ecuador one of these
South American countries his name is Abu
sufyan and he was talking about bringing
down the borders the syus picot borders
between Iraq and Syria he was from um he
was from South America so it's really
difficult to tell um with their mosque
who are they what the what but you're
but you're confident that not many of
them are Iraqis as an Iraqi whether
you're a Sunni or a Shia this is a
foreign ideology for us the brutality
the criminality the head chopping I mean
from my research the the the the head
choppers what I call them they tend to
be guys who were prisoners in the west I
mean one guy is Khaled shahu he was on
the news from Australia this guy was on
drugs he um he was to the point
hallucinating and um he was in prison
for a while came out came to the mosque
and then went to Syria and he appears on
a lot of these head chopping videos as
well as another guy called Abu ABD
Rahman Al Iraqi he was in prison in in
in in Holland now you see Dutch
guys training these Isis Fighters um
there are there there were there were um
a guy called Eric Haron in the US um he
he was caught on video in Syria bringing
down a helicopter when they went and
asked his dad in in the US he said no he
can't be working for Al-Qaeda as far as
I know my son works for the CIA so there
are what what can you tell us about the
name change it went from it started with
isil and then Isis and they've recently
reestablished themselves is yeah it's
it's a very wellth thought move um these
guys whoever behind them they're very
intelligent um the reason for that is
they want to say we're a global movement
and just in the last two month I think
they sort of doubled or tripled their
recruits um and it's very important to
concentrate on uh this is a gener a
generational issue um it's not the it's
not the 40s and the 50s Muslims they're
targeting people as young as 14 16 up to
the age of 28 they brainwash them you're
you're the Freedom Fighters you're the
Muslim Fighters um it's you who's going
to reestablish the hu the the the
Islamic State and it's it's you um who's
going to do it they're all being
brainwashed to do that but Muhammad uh
this rag bag of 14 to 28y Old foreigners
from America and England and all parts
of the world how come they've been so
astoundingly militarily successful
sweeping across the West the north
capturing some of the most historic and
important Iraqi
cities um according to Snowden leaks um
the budget for the us one of the the
damaging um information is the budget
for the C is 50 billion per year okay
now please tell
me tell me how can an organization with
a 50 billion dollar we didn't
notice a convoy of cars Isis going from
Syria taking over mus okay
um only yesterday there was a a news on
um on um one of these Turkish websites
the third Israeli
drawn fall Downs Over Baghdad it's very
worrying I mean who knows who who is
behind them how can they have so uh well
accurate GPS they can move so quickly
from one area to the other area they
must have some good intelligence I mean
on on their on their videos they show a
lot of drones where do they get these
drones from um well I have no doubt that
they are uh their Providence is dubious
I have no doubt that they are the
richest terrorist organization in all
history
but the facts remain that the both the
Iraqi Army and the Kurdish pesmerga run
away from them that doesn't compute with
me I mean unless these are some kind of
superheroes super Fighters why are
armies 10 times bigger than them running
away from them I think um with the with
the what happened in mul the they think
it was some kind of a a conspiracy how
the Army sort of defected suddenly just
like that I mean the Army was strong
they were there the information we have
is a lot of the generals um took their
clothes off took bribes possibly I mean
we can't tell uh but when the soldier so
um their generals are defecting and um
as well as Isis is very clever with
their propaganda they use these horror
um and they scare people so a soldier
who is maybe 25 26 things if my general
is not standing to defend the city why
should I um and it it it is definitely
some kind of a a conspiracy it doesn't
augure well though for the ability of
Iraq to repel these uh people it it took
it took the Iraqi Authority by surprise
um like I said maybe there was some kind
of a a conspiracy but now forces are
Gathering can I just mention a point
about ing the Iraqi Army the US they've
not been so good lately with after 2011
when the Iraqi government refused to
sign an extension for um the American
forces to stay in Iraq the Americans and
the Congress um they delayed arming the
Iraqi Army even though the Iraqis had
paid for the arms yes I mean it got to
the point where there was an article in
writers um in November last year
November 2013 the Iraqi government got
so desperate they had to sign an arming
deal with Iran breaking the sanctions
against Iran just to get some weapons I
mean the airplanes there are no the
Iraqi government had to buy airplanes
from Russia because the the Americans
wouldn't Supply us with one and it was
only one of them and still as far as I
know it's either being shipped one F6
F16 or it hasn't even been shipped yet
so the the the American forget them and
uh and get my money back uh if I were
you just one last uh Point how do people
watching this give support to your
campaign this no to Isis # no to Isis we
uh we need uh to raise awareness um we
need um the British public know that
this organiz the so-called Islamic State
they're not Islamic um and not Islamic
not a state not Islamic and well I mean
the state but it's they're working on it
so we don't know how that's going to
develop um it's Humanity against those
evil barbaric Force um and um we
shouldn't be saying it's their problem
let them deal with
it the Civilized world I mean if we go
back and say imagine we are 164 or 16
something before the uh religious War
started in Europe um you have the
Civilized well we should contribute to
stop this from happening in in the
Middle East we we can't just sit back
and watch it happening so no to Isis is
the hashtag to follow and from there
you'll uh try to organize activities to
widen an understanding of this whole
thing Muhammad Hariri thank you very
much indeed for joining us on the
sputnic and now it's your turn to tell
us what you think through the portals of
social media what's rattling gy well
here's a post from the UK prime minister
saying NATO is an international military
and political Alliance keeping 900
million citizens across the world safe
and secure with the world map actually
he's dragging us to the brink of war
that would be a more accurate way of
describing the role of NATO quite quite
bin Mahmud replies as well well here in
Newport the police are telling local
shops to board up their Windows uh Bill
Marquez adds that NATO aka the North
American terrorist
organization um is redundant they should
have begun winding it up after
1989 now it's just cruising for ab
bruising to justify its own budget and
reason for existing very well put I mean
NATO was supposedly an answer to the
Warsaw Pact uh but the Warsaw Pact is 20
years gone and most of the countries
that were in the Warsaw PCT are now in
NATO so what's the justification uh for
this defense against whom against what
it's an anti-russian anti-chinese
military Alliance it's a provocation
yeah and as Mark Atkinson says NATO is
just a dangerous tool in the hand of
fools on Iraq we ask the people what
lies ahead for them uh RM replies I Isis
are just a bloodthirsty death cult looks
like its Master Frankenstein is out of
control and our own beloved William H
says that is will do a great job
destroying what's left of Iraq after all
they've been trained by the best Ash
CIA very big mystery as to who Isis
really are who they're really working
for well that's all that we have got for
this week which alas means that's the
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today it's goodbye from me gri it's good
to have you back by the way and from me
George Galloway it's been marvelous
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